226: Pursuit of Happiness | Neal Peters, JR Studio and Giving Game Creators Superpowers

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Hey there, I'm Pete Townsend,
and this is money, never sleeps.

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We look inside the minds of
entrepreneurs and the crossover

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of startups, Enterprise Finance,
technology and Life.

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As we know it on the show this
week, we've got Neil Peters,

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co-founder and CEO of Jr.
Studio Jr.

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Studio is a frictionless web
through gaming platform.

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That gives game creator, two
superpowers to build post.

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Launch manage and grow their
games and communities Jr.

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Studio is also one of the twelve
founding teams forming the

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techstars web three accelerator
class of 2023 after launching

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his first.
Business is a 14 year old gamer

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building websites.
Neil spent, 18 years, is an IT

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architect.
And in public-private hybrid

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Cloud software development and
blockchain.

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He also co-founded and led a
venture capital business during

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the last crypto Bull, Run
focused on web, three gaming,

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and NF T's.
And that was a step that led him

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towards getting together with
Marco Colosso and Alex kassab

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ski in 2022 to build what has
become Jr studio in this episode

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Neil and I Riff on his earliest
days in Tech and the eventual

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path that he took with Marko and
Alex with j.r.

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Studio.
Before we dive into what Jr

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studio is now and what it will
become.

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We also get into the long Arc of
infrastructure and Innovation

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will need to get to the
Hollywood vision of the

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metaverse and the role of gaming
in that Journey along with what

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Neil points to in his own
development is a Founder that

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helps to keep things moving.
All right here on money.

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He never sleeps.
Neil, how the hell are you doing

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in Amsterdam today?
You're not actually an Amsterdam

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though, are you?
I mean, it's a nice metal heads,

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and you are wearing a wonderful
orange T-shirt today.

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Yeah.
Same as, you know, mines read

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minds.
Read.

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This is my chair Guevara t-shirt
that I just pulled out but it's,

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ya know, I'm close enough.
So anyway, but listen, this is

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the first time that you and I
are having the chance to get

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Deeper into what's going on in
your head and what's going on

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with j.r.
Studio?

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I mean, obviously, we've had
lots of chats over the last 12

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weeks, but they've been very
much to do with things, like,

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go-to-market strategy, customer
interviews, funding, all of

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that.
So, I've been looking forward to

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this one given.
How long that we had been

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talking since before the yeah,
we talked before the program

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kicked off.
We did the accelerator.

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That's where you found us.
That's, I don't know how many

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months ago, oh, it wasn't was
refused to say, it was November

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December timeframe because it
was, when the founders boost

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email went out with a highlight
of all the demo day companies, I

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picked you guys out of that
because you're the only web 31

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out of like seven or eight
different Founders boost

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programs and shout out to Blake
Caldwell who's the CEO and

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co-founder of Founders boost and
also Gene Murphy who was one of

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his original co-founders, going
back a number of years and he's

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now with a many called bolster
and we've been doing a few

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things with Jean of late, who's
a really good guy.

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So, listen, I wanted to dig in
Neil and think about this from

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the perspective of you had about
18 years of what's the word.

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Fermentation.
Fermentation.

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Maybe being an IT architect in
infrastructure, public private

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hybrid Cloud software
development blockchain before

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you decided to go in the
direction that you are now out

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being a start-up founder, and
there's got to be something in

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there, through your experience,
across those 18 years, the kind

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of points to your Willingness
and your inspiration and desire

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to go.
This direction, is there

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something that you can point to
that is notable to you in stands

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out with your experience of the
last number of years?

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That got you to this point?
Yeah I think it started even

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before I started my career in it
I think it was 14 years old.

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I started my own company
building websites.

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That canadaís it was booming
business of course, and I really

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lost the entrepreneurship to
help companies basically build

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websites and do stuff for them.
And I was just 14 years old so

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it was strange doing that next
to my school.

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Of course, I think
entrepreneurship killed my

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school experience.
Also a little bit because during

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day, I was working at the school
and then during evenings, I was

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working for my clients.
And next to that, I had a pretty

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decent gaming career of a
highly-placed, Counter-Strike

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player.
So some people say gaming is not

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entrepreneurship, but I think
gaming is entrepreneurship as

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well because you're building a
career in gaming basically.

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So that was 17 when I started my
it career, which is for pretty

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young.
Normally people go to college

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and I chose a different route.
I left high school and then was

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like, okay, I need to do
something with my life, so I'm

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going to work.
So, I started off as a server,

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that's completely.
And basically, in those 17, 18

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years, I'm doing.
I see now, I've worked my way up

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and a dedication during my work.
So, I have a track record of

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working and educating myself
during basically on the job.

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Yeah, there's something about
gaming which is interesting

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there and I was listening to a
podcast as I do recently.

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I think it was the web 3
breakdowns one that Eric golden

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does and it was a spinoff of
invest like the best that

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Patrick O'Shaughnessy does and
he originally did these web 3

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breakdowns and there was I
forget who it was but he was

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talking about speedrunning who's
talking about speed, rotting

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through video games.
And the fact that, if you can

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pick up enough on the patterns
of what's going on around you,

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you can just move very quickly
through these games and get to

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the next level, and the next
level, and the next level.

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But it takes that Dedication
that Focus that time spent to

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holding your craft within this
game.

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To do this speed running, to be
able to actually move quickly in

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the startup space, there's a
huge amount of Earn recognition.

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You need to be able to do when
you're talking to customers when

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you're dealing with unexpected
situations, being able to pick

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up on these patterns.
Do you think there was that

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gaming, perhaps gave you this
skill with pattern recognition

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when it comes to behaviors?
I think it's a combination, of

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course, I think gaming started
it and my professional career,

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it even more, I didn't stop
gaming in between.

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So I think both of them are
making it stronger of

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interesting.
I've never seen this comparison

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but now I'm thinking of it.
It's yeah, it's pretty logical.

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You know, I love my analogies
Neil.

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Yeah, I love your another just
to know.

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I get that, I get that.
And, you know, the really

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interesting that you started
when you were 14 with the

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websites and that this is kind
of just laid this path for

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everything else.
But you do, you did have a very

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interesting intersection point
with all of this where I think

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your first start with Becoming a
start-up founder wasn't

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necessarily the idea of Jr
Studio as it is right now, but

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was with a predecessor with the
letters Jr, which was Jungle

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race and that you getting
together with Marco as well as

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Ace Alex's.
He's referred to I guess

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professionally.
But colloquially if I can say

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that right, we all call him
mace, right?

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Yeah.
That what was the point where

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the three of you got together to
start this journey?

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Yeah, the three of us have to
say, I know, Marco for five or

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six years already, we've worked
together for a few book, 10

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companies in different roles.
And I think it was three years

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two or three years ago when
Marco.

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And I had the idea to start a
community based Venture Capital.

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We were deeply connected within
communities.

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We would like to have, you know
how fundraising Works?

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Know, we thought we knew how
fundraising works.

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So we started a community based
Venture Capital together, we

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build a community of around 300
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Vistors active investors, which
also amazing is was during the

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bull run as well.
So it was a very active group

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and that's where we met.
Alex, Alex was a Community

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member for our venture capital
and then the bear Market game.

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So in a bear Market community
members, don't like investing

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because they see their money
drowning, of course.

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So Marco and I were like we need
to do something else as I said

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before, I don't like sitting
still, I need to move.

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I need to make progress so Marco
and I started jungle race which

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is an NFC racing game.
The reason behind it because we

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helped 13 NFC racing games or
nft games have to say launch in

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the good market and we see all
those games drowning out the

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market caps of those games, are
they really dead?

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And I don't want to say your
Ponzi schemes but we wanted to

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do a different.
We wanted to put on a real fun

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to play a game.
Same as I had with

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Counter-Strike.
If you look at Counter-Strike,

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now if people are still playing
and there are millions of

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dollars of Revenue, so going
through Counter-Strike and we

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wanted to do something like
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We why don't you build a fun
game that people would come back

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to you every day and play it
because of so they can reduce

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stress and have fun.
So we started to dribble race

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and a 50/50 racing game, we
build a community, we build an

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MVP, but in a bear Market it's
really really hard to raise

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money for games.
So we said back when each other

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during that time, by the way, we
hooked up Alex, because Marco

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and I are both non-native
English ones.

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So we rode back story of the
game and Alex was reading it.

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He was like, guys Going to
publish this.

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So you need to redo everything
and it was also before chat GPT

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of course.
So Alex did back riding of other

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characters of the game and
that's how we hooked up, Alex,

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and he helps us with that and he
never left our company anymore.

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The during the development of
the NFC racing game.

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We discovered a few issues and I
think it was during Founders

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Bruce when a mentor.
He said to us, guys, you want to

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develop an NFC racing game and
after that you want to do a

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platform but you're encountering
issues which you are resolving

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in your At form.
So why are you struggling with

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the issues that you have now and
your wire?

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You resolving them later, you
should resolve them first before

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you do in a few racing games, it
was yet during a pre

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accelerator, we pivoted and a
pre accelerator is intense.

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You probably know that as well.
So pivoting during a pre

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accelerators, even more intense
because you have 12 weeks to

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complete the program and we were
doing a pivot in the middle of

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the program.
It was a really intense time and

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as a team, it brought us closer
together.

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Sure.
And really helps us set our

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mission and vision that we have
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Interesting.
Interesting.

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Who was that that Mentor by the
way, if you're free to name, who

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that was.
I forgot his last name because

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we always call him area, we
still keep them updated.

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He was, he's a founder of a
company.

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Yeah, it's a unicorn company so
he knows a lot about tech.

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He knows something about what 32
was one of the mentor who knew

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something about web 3 and it
really helps us be fitting into

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J or Studio.
What we are now?

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Okay, interesting that it came
from even starting with With

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jungle race and building that
game the impetus for that was

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because you would already helped
12 projects get their game their

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nft game live.
So it's like okay well why don't

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we just do one and then where it
went back to was helping gaming

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Studios.
Right?

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So you know the I would say the
circle is now complete but we're

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far from the circle being
complete meal Peters are we?

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Yeah Fine Art listen let's dig
into To what Jr studio is given

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that you've teed it up so nicely
for us, Neil.

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And what is it now?
And what do you think it will

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become If you look at Jer
Studio, the name, of course, is

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we had the jungle race games.
So the Jr Studios, jungle Ray

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Studio, we wanted to honor that
name because that's how we

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started it.
We present ourselves.

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Basically, as a gaming studio,
providing a platform for Studios

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over another gaming studio
anymore, but we know how to

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develop a game.
We have the experience with it.

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So, what we are doing now, we're
developing a platform as a

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service, for those Studios for
gaming Studios, small Indian

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hybrid Studios.
To make sure that they can

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reduce their development
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They don't need a higher stall
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Integrations or wallet
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of interviews that we did.
We noticed that they also have a

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lot of issues creating a
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how to build up.
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like, how can we help those
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Because we like to help people,
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that if we love to help, come on
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And eventually, when other
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ourselves as well by using our
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Gotcha.
And I can see where you're all

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headed with this today right now
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know, six to eighteen months,
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What would you like it to be
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In the long run, we want to be
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Studios.
So if you look at that, if you

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think of dog chain gaming or web
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will think.
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So we need to go to J or Studio
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do the Integrations.
It doesn't matter how small or

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big your game is, you can use
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Not to be there only for the

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small and Indie Studios.
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we are the go-to platform for
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I got you.
Okay, we were talking.

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Back a few months ago, one of
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impressive about you guys, as a
team, was at in-depth market

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analysis that you did was, like,
20 pages and how you were

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segmenting that market the
gaming market and what your

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targets were going to be Looking
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Now, on that, compared to all
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done, do you think that your
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Or how have things evolved, how
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Your target market over the last
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Yeah.
So I think the record that

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you've seen was also short
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version of 60 plus Pages.
It took us really, it took us

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months to do the research and
the end up research because we

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lost knowing the market more and
more and the more you dig into

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something, the more information
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have to do.
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report and the past few weeks we
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interviews.
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That we spoke also unofficially.

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We were right.
Of course, our Focus shifted a

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little bit from from before when
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So what we are now with the help
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So what we're doing now, we're
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we've collected from the
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research is from finance and
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to do a new market, research to
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And not only to prove that we
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the market is growing, Living in
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even more than this doing.
Now I got you, you can expect a

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new market report in your email
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Good.
Good looking forward to that.

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One of the things I wanted to
talk about as well with you

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Neil.
Is this whole metaverse theme

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that became a bit overdone in
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what was being called, these
metaverse zones, they found it

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was just like a poorly developed
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on in Inside these these zones
I'll just call them right?

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And that I think with all the
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whole view on this space.
That I'm pretty convinced that

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when we eventually get to this
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metaverse that the roads there
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gaming industry.
But the big things we don't have

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right now.
Are the fiber optic cabling that

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are capable of moving data at
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is I have what you need in order
to get a message from a piece of

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data where this instruction
coming from a controller in New

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York, to a server in Hong Kong,
right?

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If that's where it may be and,
you know infrastructure, right?

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You know, all this stuff better
than me.

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Yeah.
And in order so that you don't

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have the latency and that
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you hit that controller, do you
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screen happening?
Right away, if you are

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multiplying, Eyeing that times
wearing a VR headset and moving

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a hat, moving your hand with a
haptic glove on it, and trying

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to have that control the motion
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a server that is across the
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You're just not right now.
Technology just isn't there to

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support this Hollywood version
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But with how quickly technology
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you know, even the last 10 years
I think that we will get there

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eventually right.
But with this Think back to the

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70s and 80s with pong with
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these games compared to where we
are now with like Fortnight and

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all these other games.
You know, well, I've got to

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expect that we're going to get
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the metaverse and a lot quicker
than 40 to 50 years.

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Do you think that gaming is
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this?
And what is it that gets you

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most excited about it in terms
of, you know, what will get us

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there?
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with in 2020 2021, a lot of
companies started in two

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metaphors and I think the
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really important.
So what is metaphors.

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There were a lot of gaming
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where people could enter and do
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example.
So those are real, world use

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cases, where in the future, I
think, when the technology can

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pick up, people will use it.
How cool would it be if you put

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on your VR glasses or maybe,
maybe they are, you can walk

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into show, let's say normal
clothing shop.

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You can see yourself in a mirror
and then you can fit on clothes

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like see how they are.
Actually are there are tools

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where you can already do it.
There are websites where Can fit

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on clothing for yourself.
So I think Virtual Worlds and

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the metaphors will become and
want to say is standard but a

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lot of people will use it as
long as the technology is ready

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for it.
And so far, what I've seen,

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technology isn't ready for it
yet, it's just open worlds and

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it's not use, widely, not even
widely enough, and the

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technology will pick up.
Because in it, I've never seen.

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So many traction on progress
will speed on processor speed.

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Everything is Going so fast and
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You cannot keep up with the
development if you want to do

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everything.
So, yeah, I think eventually

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gaming will be how I see.
It is that you, if you look at

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Steam, for example, Steamers of
publishing platform, ready

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published games, if steam was
able to turn it on to a

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metaphors and where people can
enter steam like virtually and

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then go walk to to a game
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Let's say adventure games and
they can see other players the

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embalming it with each other.
See it in front of my eyes like

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okay, this will be the next big
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So not not entering a Lobby or
would just suggest entering a

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Lobby work real people in a
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See it's there will be the next
big thing I know for sure if we

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yeah, yeah, I mean and it comes
down to human behavior, right?

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If you think about the 80s and
90s and the early development of

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video games, this was a waiver
for people to spend their free

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time, right?
And that they liked getting into

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these games and trying to master
them or just just playing them

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for, whatever, for the, for the
hell of it, and then with each

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generational, ship, not even
each generational shift, each

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text shift that we went through
in the late 90s and into the

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early 2000s and then the 2010s,
you had a greater population of

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people on this planet, that were
aware of this opportunity, to go

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spend their free time gaming and
that as a tech got better, it

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attracted more and more people
to it and that are Continue, my

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question for you is a gamer is,
are you compelled with each wave

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of Technology with the
opportunity to be more immersed

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into these Virtual Worlds?
Does that opportunity compel you

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to go spend more?
Or are you waiting for this

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Quantum?
Leap?

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To say, I want to be able to use
so much more before I actually

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make that jump.
Yeah, I think my generation I'm

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getting old, of course, I'm 36
years old.

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I'm hitting my, I'm hitting my
40s, I'm spending more time

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doing work.
Work and doing gaming, but I

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really think the younger
generation, so the generation

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offer me, we'll hook up with
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I've tried a few metaphors
games.

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I think technology isn't there
yet, I will definitely use

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metaverse when it's more common,
when it's more professional.

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And whenever more players, of
course, well, I completely shift

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from PC gaming, two metaphors
gaming, I don't know because I

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really like using my keyboard
and my mouse because I'm good at

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it.
So, it really depends on the

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usability on the metal.
First.

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Yeah, if everyone shifts to the
metaphors and why shouldn't I?

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So it's you need you need to
have the proper adoption and the

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proper technology for it.
And you do you do know and and

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and it's no mistake that the new
Apple Vision Pro right?

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The new Apple VRA our headset
does look a lot more similar to

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the headset sworn in that
Hollywood version of the

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metaverse that I need to stop
talking about ready player one

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and that where it is the mix of
VR but also a are because

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there's the clear glass that you
can see through that makes your

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real world.
The The physical world a bit

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more immersive into the virtual
world but then that can zoom off

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or or shut off and that you're
just fully immersed in the

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virtual world but the things
such as haptic gloves to

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controllers but that new headset
that reads with cameras your

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movements of your hands, right?
So perhaps we may not even need

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haptic gloves to direct where
things are going but to feel and

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experience, right?
We've got the vision sorted.

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Because the cameras are now
tracking your eyeballs with the

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newest headsets, so that you
don't feel it seasick, as you

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do, and it feels like a more
natural experience.

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The cameras are tracking your
hands smell and taste, perhaps.

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I don't even want to think about
where that's going to go.

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And I talk with people about
that before on this podcast.

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But, you know, it's and I think
you've nailed it with the

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generation before that, where
the keyboard and the mouse, they

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may not be doing much of that at
all keyboard and mouse, right?

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And they maybe we'll listen if
I'm playing a game.

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It needs to be something that's
more immersive.

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So eventually we're going to get
to the point where we either

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adopt or, you know, we either we
adopt the newer Technologies or

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we just, you know, stay stuck in
our ways, right?

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So yeah, I'm with you on this.
I think it's the generational

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shift.
And these aren't things that

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move too quickly, generational
shift, take seven eight, ten

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years to move.
So funny that you mention that,

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because Steve Jobs thinking
mentions, the VR, glass 15 or 16

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years ago already.
So I really believe that apple

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and apple is like the market
leader of change.

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They started a mobile Revolution
with the iPhone, or you don't

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have a keyboard anymore, but
just your screen and it was

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like, people were like, no, I
need a keyboard and it fully

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shifted, everyone.
Even even Grandma's are using a

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mobile phone without a keyboard.
So I think apple is can really

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set the next Revolution and I
think that's why they waited for

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this long to make sure that the
technology was ready, because

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they have cameras tracking your
eyes, they have cameras Tricking

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your hands, if you look at five
six, seven years ago, there

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wasn't even possible because the
speed wasn't enough and I think

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they've waited so long to make
sure that they have a perfect

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product.
And that's there were really

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sets Apple.
They bring out perfect products,

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of course towards a price that
they're asking because it's a

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normal a normal working guy.
Cannot purchase it because it's

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really expensive but eventually
they will set the new new

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standard.
They will.

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You got Me thinking of Star Wars
now because I think it was

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00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:50,600
George Lucas, who said that the
reason he waited, so long to do,

451
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,100
the prequels was because he
wanted the technology to catch

452
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:59,200
up to his vision for how he
wanted to create those movies.

453
00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:04,800
And yeah, Steve Jobs, may he
rest in peace, but Tech wasn't

454
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,800
there for him to be able to do
perhaps what he had in mind, but

455
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,800
it's definitely way to get.
Yeah, definitely.

456
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,600
Definitely.
One of the things that will keep

457
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,900
you ahead of your time, Neil is
experience learning and

458
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:20,100
knowledge, and being able to
draw on that leverage that in

459
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,500
all of the different situations
that you're in.

460
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,700
And what I like to talk about is
something called your earned

461
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,400
secret, right?
From your experience.

462
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,700
Something that, you know, that
others either, don't know, and

463
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:37,400
that guides your modus operandi
or something that, you know,

464
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,600
that others believe to be false
and that you just continue on.

465
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,100
Is there something that you can
point to that?

466
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,900
You would call your earn Secret.
I don't think I have a specific

467
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:49,300
earn secret.
I think it goes back years.

468
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:51,900
I'm a good listener.
And I really when people talk to

469
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:53,900
me, I really listen to what they
say.

470
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,800
And if we look back 10 years
ago, I, believe people blindly.

471
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,500
I'm like, yeah, you're right.
If you say it, then, you're

472
00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:03,300
right.
The past, 10 years, I stopped

473
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:06,400
believing everyone who said
something because I was, like,

474
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,700
I'm pretty sure that you're
wrong because I've read

475
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:11,500
somewhere else that it's
different.

476
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:15,900
So, listen to, I think, listen
to people, I think the people is

477
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:19,400
very important, but having your
own opinion and make sure that

478
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,500
your own knowledge overrules
stuff that people say, I have a

479
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:25,900
pretty broad technology
experience.

480
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:28,700
So I know quite a few bits of
tech.

481
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,800
So I don't let anyone tell me
how Tech works because I know

482
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,300
how Tech works and if I don't
know it, I will research it

483
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,500
myself and I think that's really
important.

484
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,000
That's what we did with j.r.
Studios.

485
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,600
Well, we research everything, we
did an in-depth market analysis.

486
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,400
We did a shitload of interviews
with Studios which we partnered

487
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,000
up with its doing your own
research is really important to

488
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,900
make sure that you do something
that other people need or like,

489
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,600
That's a really good point and I
see that in you in that

490
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,400
listening and reacting and
moving your anything in your the

491
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,800
traditional Dutch traits of
directness that you think have

492
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,000
helped you so far.
So far, my team really hates my

493
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,200
deduction is because I'm really
my mind's like okay, we need to

494
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,500
do this and then I say to my
team.

495
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:19,800
Okay guys, we need to do this
now.

496
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,600
They're like, yeah, but we have
so many other stuff to do it.

497
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,500
Yeah, but we don't need to do
this.

498
00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:27,800
Now, I'm just In the Dutch way
of saying it, we need to do it

499
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,300
is and the thing my directness
really helps us keep moving

500
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:33,900
forward.
Of course, I need to adjust

501
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:37,200
myself sometimes because Mark
row, he lives in Brazil, and

502
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,800
Brazilian people are always warm
hearted and soft at eclipse in

503
00:27:40,808 --> 00:27:42,600
the US.
Or sometimes he can be harsh,

504
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,800
and sometimes he can be sweet.
He's a, he's a middle.

505
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:49,000
Yeah, he's a really need to
adjust myself to make sure that

506
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,200
I don't hurt my team's feelings,
but it's helping us further and

507
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,900
also talking to clients talking
to investors being Act short, it

508
00:27:56,900 --> 00:28:00,300
really helps a lot.
So, let me touch it.

509
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,500
Does, it does know.
And I am always very empathetic

510
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:05,300
towards people and considerate
of others.

511
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,100
And that, but sometimes that
does get in the way of direct

512
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:11,900
constructive feedback rather
than trying to gift wrap things

513
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:14,500
too much.
My mom used to said, when I was

514
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:15,600
younger.
So living a home.

515
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,400
That was too sweet for other
people.

516
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,500
It was like, oh, I will help you
with this.

517
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,000
Oh, I will help you with that.
Didn't someone called me up, was

518
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,200
it?
Yeah, I need to move tomorrow.

519
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,400
Can you help me moving as?
Yeah?

520
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,100
Sure.
No problem.

521
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:26,900
I guess what?
All my meetings held moving.

522
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:30,300
So when I was younger, I was a
sweet guy.

523
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:33,700
Kind of guy, helping everyone.
I still help a lot of people but

524
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:37,600
in, in the years I've learned to
be more and when you say more

525
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,000
Dutch but more to protect myself
and make sure that I get my own

526
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,400
goals and not get anyone else's
goals.

527
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,100
Oh, yeah.
Well, becoming a father.

528
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:50,400
Your prioritization is change.
Yeah, totally they say the true

529
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,100
measure of one's wealth is the
amount of free time that you

530
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:54,700
spend with your family and
friends.

531
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Right.
Yep.

532
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,400
So things do shift and change in
that, it definitely gives you

533
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,300
perspective on your own
prioritization mechanism.

534
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,300
Which definitely has shifted for
me, which has been, you know,

535
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
entirely incredible things
happen.

536
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,400
So, tell me, Neil, we're at the
point of the show where I like

537
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,500
to ask this.
Last final question that we ask

538
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,600
of everybody.
What is one thing that people

539
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,800
wouldn't expect to know about
meal, Peters?

540
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:24,900
Wow, that's a difficult
question.

541
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,300
That's a really difficult
question.

542
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,500
If you look at my professional
the professional side, I don't

543
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:34,600
think people like know that, I
like to go to festivals and I

544
00:29:34,608 --> 00:29:37,700
like to drink beers and I like
to party like a madman.

545
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,600
It's like, I don't like night
festival.

546
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,000
So, I'm because I'm a dad.
I need to wake up at 6 a.m. in

547
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,600
the morning to wake up with my
kids.

548
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,000
So I really like to go to
festivals dance in the Sun and

549
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,200
let yourselves.
Go to the music and not think of

550
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,300
business at all.
Just Take the 12 or 8 or 12

551
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:01,900
hours just to relax, enjoy the
music dance, drink beers, and

552
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,900
have fun.
And it's not many people know

553
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:08,300
that but it's really really
important for yourself to let.

554
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:11,700
Go at a certain point of time
and will energize, of course the

555
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:13,300
next day, you will have a
hangover.

556
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,400
But today, softer, you feel more
energized, you, you'll get new

557
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,500
ideas.
So it's really, I think, it's

558
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,100
important, and not many people
know that about me.

559
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:27,800
I think it was Frank Sinatra,
who said I feel bad for people

560
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,000
who don't drink, when they wake
up in the morning, that's the

561
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,200
best.
They're going to feel all day.

562
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,200
I don't drink a lot of don't
confuse me on that but here you

563
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:39,800
are.
You all right?

564
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,200
We'll listen to you.
What's the best way for people

565
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,100
to get in touch with it?
So they can go to our website

566
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:46,500
Jr.
Dash Studio dot IO or they can

567
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:50,700
send me an email Neil at their
Studio that I have awesome.

568
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:52,400
Love it.
We'll listen Neil.

569
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,700
Thanks so much.
Much for the chat.

570
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:57,000
It was great to dig into things
with you and we'll see you again

571
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,900
later on.
Thank you for your time.

572
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:04,500
That does it for this week
folks.

573
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:06,200
Thanks and healed, Peters for
opening up his mind.

574
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,900
To help us figure out why he
does what he does.

575
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:09,600
You can learn more about Neil
than Jr.

576
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,900
Studio in the show notes on our
website money, never sleeps.

577
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,600
That IE, if you like what you
heard, please leave us a rating

578
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,800
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579
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,800
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Thanks to Kona Brophy, from

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00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,200
create sound for mixing and
editing.

581
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,900
This episode, Conan is an
excellent medium and to get in

582
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:25,400
touch with when you're thinking
about launching your own

583
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,600
podcast.
As for me, I'm an early stage,

584
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,000
startup investor focused on
where fintech meets crypto and

585
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,500
crypto meets web 39.
The textures web through

586
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:34,000
accelerator.
There are plenty of links in the

587
00:31:34,008 --> 00:31:36,100
show notes on money, never
sleeps. .I and how to get in

588
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:38,100
touch.
So don't hesitate to reach out

589
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,300
finally till next time.
Thanks for listening.

590
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:40,800
See you